Hmmm let's try this:
that didn't work either:
http://www.butterflymama.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc
Go to womens clothing, click on skirts and mine is the Flower Patch Hippie Tiered Patchwork Skirt
to be more specific, something you have bought that has stood the test of time and fashion.. for me it was ralph lauren's classic navy wool jacket with his gold and red emblem on the pocket.
it cost a small fortune but for over 5 years i can throw that over a pair of jeans or a skirt and always feel like a million dollars.
i also have a jacket by dana buchman with a matching sweater that is gorgeous and never fails to make me feel good.. what was your best purchase?.
Hmmm let's try this:
that didn't work either:
http://www.butterflymama.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc
Go to womens clothing, click on skirts and mine is the Flower Patch Hippie Tiered Patchwork Skirt
to be more specific, something you have bought that has stood the test of time and fashion.. for me it was ralph lauren's classic navy wool jacket with his gold and red emblem on the pocket.
it cost a small fortune but for over 5 years i can throw that over a pair of jeans or a skirt and always feel like a million dollars.
i also have a jacket by dana buchman with a matching sweater that is gorgeous and never fails to make me feel good.. what was your best purchase?.
My hippie skirt from butterfly mama.
I bought it in the spring and have worn it through the summer and will wear it through the fall and winter.
ok, so we did the seinfeld thread, now how about homer, marge, bart, lisa and maggie?.
my favorite one has to be the one where bart gets help from homer to read a card at a presentation before mr. burns.. homer: "oooh boy card read good".. .
Didn't one JW say to the other, something like, "Why are we doing this? Let's stop
bothering people."
Yeah I think so!
I don't remember these other references. Going to have to get the season dvds. :D
pascal's wager.
blaise pascal offers a pragmatic reason for believing in god: even under the assumption that gods existence is unlikely, the potential benefits of believing are so vast as to make betting on theism rational.
critics in turn have raised a number of now-classic challenges.
Do you believe because it makes you feel better?
Do you believe because the alternative is overwhelmingly horrifying to you?
Do you believe because you feel that in so doing, you have everything to gain and nothing to lose?
I have read some sincere people on JWD that believe for the above reasons.
What about you?
Is fear or calculated pragmatism driving your belief?
Can an all-knowing benevolent deity be satisfied with worship/belief motivated by either?
a) No
b) No
c) No
d) lol hmmm
I believe there is Something because both me and my husband, and incredibly close friends have experienced Ghosts. Not some impersonal energy that is just there and there were no strings attached
And ya know, spontaneous evolution just doesn't cut it for me. It just does not explain why there is another side.
NOW
I will readily admit I have not looked into the whole concept of parallel universes etc etc etc etc and I hope at some point I find enough of a reason to care to do so.
At which point it is entirely possible my "beliefs" may change.
Since I'm not exactly the sort of person that is into "worshipping" anything or anyone, I tend to think that it wouldn't be too traumatic of an event in my life
i didn't cry when my mother died.
i didn't cry when i saw her laying lifeless in the hospital bed, nor did i cry at the funeral.
my mother used to say bring me my flowers while i'm alive.
((((((((((((((((((((((((mrsmcd)))))))))))))))))))))))
I think you have been a pretty strong person to be here and give the support that you are able to.
ok, so we did the seinfeld thread, now how about homer, marge, bart, lisa and maggie?.
my favorite one has to be the one where bart gets help from homer to read a card at a presentation before mr. burns.. homer: "oooh boy card read good".. .
Lol, the one that comes to mind.....
The one where Marge and Lisa go out to get a new door bell and then the Jehovah's Witnesses come to their door.
But they don't ring the bell.
They say something like
"Let's go get real jobs. Maybe we don't have all the answers."
When I first saw that one I was JW, and was so "offended", now I find it hysterical.
well christimas will soon be here !!.
for those that are new we have done this for the last few years, what it involves is that those who want to join in will post to this thread and then pm me their name and address.
i will then collate the names and addresses and assign everyone a person to buy a gift for.
I'm game, put my name in the hat ;D
so can someone please enlighten me why when people come out with their catholicism others find it necessary to remind them of their pope worshipping, mary praying traditions (sic)?.
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As to why their is hostility toward catholics, it happens anywhere you go, and has since the reformation, you get used to it after a while :)
Hm, I imagine you do.
I may never join another religion again. I think at best they are stepping stones to a full personal relationship with God like Enoch had and Noah and Moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and Jesus had.
You dont need a church to have that. You dont need a building or a body of elders or a book bag or time slip, or a rosary or incense or prayer rug. All that is required is a mind and heart filled with deep respect for the creator's will which is clearly discerned by observing his beautiful creation.
I tend to think that many here feel the same way. Those who still believe in something, be it the God of the Bible or Dana, one doesn't need a church to feel close to God.
Several years ago I also went to RCIA. I found the process very enlightening,the Catholic traditions and culture are very nice and I often pray the rosary. But I stopped short of getting baptized. What for? I reasoned. This is strictly between me and God, I don't have to show the church anything. Today I still on occasion attend mass and look for Catholic charities to volunteer my time and donate goods. The church is not at all perfect, far from it, but I find the atmosphere welcoming and comforting, and that alone puts to rest the initial fear I had of going into a building where allegedly demons would attack me!
The traditions are beautiful to me as well.
If you read this, out of curiosity, why do you look for Catholic charities? I'm just curious.
The society detests Catholicism most of all because they are trying to replace it.
Bluesapphire, this statement right here blew me away. Because you know, that makes perfect sense.
You're welcome, BSOM :-) And yes, I will keep you posted. Pax, Ruth
Ok, I know I should probably just google this...but what is Pax? And Thanks Ruth :-) (btw thank you for being such a wonderful person to me)
In my church, this year there are 27 adults in RCIA that will be baptized, thats pretty good, back when I took my RCIA there were only 6 of us.
Andre, HA! So much for Christendom's waters drying up eh?
Quite honestly, I enjoy their form of worship. I just can't deal with never feeling like I'm good enough, like I should be constantly striving for sainthood to be good enough for God. Just thinking about it makes me feel sick to the very core of my being.
GGG, I have heard this from other Catholics. I think they like their faith, in terms of the beauty of the traditions and the worship, but I often get a sense of they feel so inadequate and like they're never going to be good enough for heaven. Mouthy, I have not known what to say in response to you. I think that Edmond has made some interesting, valid points. I guess I would only add that I can't dispute anything you have said in this thread and I won't at all try to minimize it. You have, like others here, given me a lot to think about. One thing being, like others who look at exjw's and think they're bitter twats who just want to stir up trouble etc etc.....they have never walked in the shoes of an exjw. And many of us have never walked in the shoes of an ex Catholic. It's easy for me to tell you to Stop It. But I haven't lived the lives of people who have lived and walked the Catholic faith. And I'm sorry for getting on you and others that I simply don't know and understand.
so can someone please enlighten me why when people come out with their catholicism others find it necessary to remind them of their pope worshipping, mary praying traditions (sic)?.
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These experiences that people have shared are awesome because they are showing the various faces of Catholicism, at it's best and worst. We have all had to take a different route and path. And for some it has been the Catholic Church. They have found peace and serenity and a closeness with God. I don't want others to judge me for my path and I really don't have the right to judge them. Nor do I have the right to judge those who I don't understand. I'm Not saying that I think it's ok to belittle the beliefs and traditions of the Catholics, only that this has helped me recognize that I need to step back and remind myself that more often than not, I don't know the whole picture when something gets said. you would think by now I would have that figured out a bit better.
so can someone please enlighten me why when people come out with their catholicism others find it necessary to remind them of their pope worshipping, mary praying traditions (sic)?.
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It seems to me that being raised as a JW, there were levels of evil within Babylon the Grape.
Heathen religions are bad, but at least they don't use the Bible.
Christendom is especially stinky in Jehober's eyes cuz they claim to represent him.
And, for some reason, it seems like Chuck Russell and Drunkaford seemed to especially have it in for the Catholics.
That's just my 3rd gen, raised-in, perspective. To a JW, Catholics are the worst of worst when it comes to religion. (Well, unless you wanna talk 'postates. They're sub-human. )
So maybe some of that carries over. Just my $.02.
You know that is the truth. If I told my family I was a pagan they'd likely not be happy. If I told them I was a Catholic I think they'd have a friggin meltdown!!!
Hehehehe, boy some funny thoughts just went through my head.
Sorry if I offended.
Ya know, not being a Catholic, I don't think you owe me an apology.
"Religion ruins everything"
Changeling, some days I think like that, other days I see where it has done some very good things. There is good and bad in many things, imho. Religion included.
I have often wondered the same thing.
I am enrolled in RCIA (Rite of Christian Initiation) and plan to be baptized next Easter. My husband, a lapsed cradle Catholic converted to JW now inactive for over ten years, says I've lost my mind.
Thanks to my new-found faith, I have finally begun to heal from a lifetime of JW nonsense.
Everyone does not find the same path or make the same journey. But we should all remember that we don't assist our healing when we do or say things that hurt others. And for someone who endured all the putdowns of a JW life, to find Christ and then discover that your XJW colleagues want to attack your Christianity is very disheartening.
Yep. This is what I'm talking about. It's like your religion, your beliefs are not as good as theirs.
Thank you for starting this thread.
Ruth
Thank You, for sharing this Ruth, I appreciate it. Keep me posted on your RCIA btw. Ok?
Tula, this was an interesting read. Do you have a link? And I'm sure this is me being an airhead, but are you referring to the custom of the ring, or the other regarding the convents accepting women from wealthy backgrounds? (sorry!)Actually this excerpt says "medieval" but this custom went on much longer than that. I saw a movie depicting this just a few years ago. The year depicted was within the past 200 years.
I'm a Catholic re-vert. Left the Church in 1958 at the age of 14 to become a Jehovah's Witness. I was easily confused, which created in me a state of doubt that was really never resolved until I returned to the Church in Jan. 1966. It was like a heavy weight was removed from me. The yoke was broken. I was promptly disfellowshipped for apostasy. I have never gone back to the Kingdom Hall and have not regretted by journey back into Catholicism. If I had spent as much time studying it as I did Watchtower literature, I probably would have never left it in the first place. JWs had better answers then, but now I can hold my own.
Kenneson, thanks for posting. I have often thought this when talking with people. There is not a lot of studying happening. It is really interesting. Often I talk to people who go to church, but couldn't tell you anything about the bible. I'm not saying that's bad, only that I can see how so many people end up in religions like the JW"s.